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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1360 on: June 27, 2015, 09:00:03 AM
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« Reply #1360 on: June 27, 2015, 09:00:03 AM »

Whew, what a finish!

JMH, thanks for the finish-line photos.  Those are some happy campers, to be sure.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1361 on: June 27, 2015, 09:08:57 AM
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« Reply #1361 on: June 27, 2015, 09:08:57 AM »

Thank you jmh for the great pics!  I love that one of Josh sitting there on the curb with the smile on his face.  Awesome!!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1362 on: June 27, 2015, 09:41:27 AM
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« Reply #1362 on: June 27, 2015, 09:41:27 AM »

Very cool race. Exciting to the end. Tortoise and the Hares. "It was the pie made with Billy Butter"!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1363 on: June 27, 2015, 09:42:31 AM
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« Reply #1363 on: June 27, 2015, 09:42:31 AM »

Tortoise and the Hares. "It was the pie made with Billy Butter"!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1364 on: June 27, 2015, 10:01:57 AM
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« Reply #1364 on: June 27, 2015, 10:01:57 AM »

Only separated by minutes after 2700+ miles. Incredible.

Let's throw it back to 2008:

http://www.outsideonline.com/1896446/worlds-toughest-bike-race-not-france

back when JayP was labeled the, "Wildcard"

Simpler times!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1365 on: June 27, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
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« Reply #1365 on: June 27, 2015, 10:04:42 AM »

The latest on Lael. Always smilin'.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1366 on: June 27, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
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« Reply #1366 on: June 27, 2015, 10:05:09 AM »

Congratulations, Dylan on your stellar performance and a solid 4th place finish!  

Next up: Colorado Trail and hopefully a Triple Crown Challenge completion.  

AZT 2015: 08:06:58
TD 2015: 15:03:01
CT 2015: tbd


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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1367 on: June 27, 2015, 10:07:18 AM
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« Reply #1367 on: June 27, 2015, 10:07:18 AM »

Wouldn't adoption of that attitude eliminate most of the field in nearly all races?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of all these guys and these races. I'm still pulling for Marshal to finally slay this demon and I've been glued to my PC as much as possible the last two weeks.

My comment was specific to Eszter's comments regarding sleep deprivation, the relatively small number of repeat racers and the sustainability of the events. There's a difference between racing and knowing you can come back next year lighter/faster/stronger/better geared to try to win your class and the current sleep dep-driven style of racing which has significant health and safety risks that other kinds of racing do not.

TL;DR: personal preference; I like the Kiwi model.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1368 on: June 27, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
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« Reply #1368 on: June 27, 2015, 10:08:52 AM »

Amazing ride from the front running men!  headbang

Great to see Lael go so strong given her health challenges.  thumbsup

Anyone heard why Beth D is not making much progress at the moment?

-- Vik

BTW - I just donated to TrackLeaders to support the race coverage.  sign13

Seb D broke his fork while running at the front, and had to spend a couple of days running around getting a new one. They are riding together now, so she might have waited for him, or was involved in helping him get going again.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1369 on: June 27, 2015, 10:43:58 AM
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« Reply #1369 on: June 27, 2015, 10:43:58 AM »

I'm not sure the lack of repeaters in the TD is purely because of sleep dep. during the race, and health problems that stem from it.

I think it's simply that the TD is a huge commitment. People partly design their lives around it. If you're not ready to do that, you're not riding it 3x in a row. Still, people find ways. I did it 2x, but I was couch surfing for much of the time in between, and put < $100 (SS Chain, SS cog, SS Ring - good to go!) into the bike from last year to get my up running for the next year. When I got back: couch surfing again.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1370 on: June 27, 2015, 11:56:17 AM
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« Reply #1370 on: June 27, 2015, 11:56:17 AM »

Tortoise and the Hares. "It was the pie made with Billy Butter"!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1371 on: June 27, 2015, 01:21:25 PM
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« Reply #1371 on: June 27, 2015, 01:21:25 PM »

I've just noticed that fellow Alberta resident Tom de Vries is listed as scratched as of 20-odd hours ago and 85 miles north of Del Norte. Does anyone know why and/or if he's OK?

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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1372 on: June 27, 2015, 01:55:19 PM
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« Reply #1372 on: June 27, 2015, 01:55:19 PM »

I've just noticed that fellow Alberta resident Tom de Vries is listed as scratched as of 20-odd hours ago and 85 miles north of Del Norte. Does anyone know why and/or if he's OK?

Gary


He's OK. Doesn't want to continue it seems ... listen to his MTBCast.

http://mtbcast.com/site2/category/td15/

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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1373 on: June 27, 2015, 02:04:39 PM
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« Reply #1373 on: June 27, 2015, 02:04:39 PM »

Only separated by minutes after 2700+ miles. Incredible.

Let's throw it back to 2008:

http://www.outsideonline.com/1896446/worlds-toughest-bike-race-not-france

back when JayP was labeled the, "Wildcard"

Simpler times!


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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1374 on: June 27, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
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« Reply #1374 on: June 27, 2015, 03:05:51 PM »

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of all these guys and these races. I'm still pulling for Marshal to finally slay this demon and I've been glued to my PC as much as possible the last two weeks.

My comment was specific to Eszter's comments regarding sleep deprivation, the relatively small number of repeat racers and the sustainability of the events. There's a difference between racing and knowing you can come back next year lighter/faster/stronger/better geared to try to win your class and the current sleep dep-driven style of racing which has significant health and safety risks that other kinds of racing do not.

TL;DR: personal preference; I like the Kiwi model.

Plus, you don't need to take caffeine to keep going. To date I have never had to take caffeine in a Kiwi Brevet to finish in a reasonably competitive time, not that its a race : ) that worries me a bit, using stimulants to push yourself harder than you would otherwise be going.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1375 on: June 27, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
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« Reply #1375 on: June 27, 2015, 03:14:44 PM »

TL;DR: personal preference; I like the Kiwi model.

You can operate both options in the same event by simply having two classes people select from. Open Class and Black Out Class where your Spot can't move between midnight and say 5am or whatever seems reasonable. Nobody really has to enforce anything other than look at the overnight Spot data for people in the lead and maintaining an extra set of course records. We seem to be doing the first anyways without being asked to do so. Wink

Ultimately it's the racers who should decide if they want to see another "official" option.

I'm glad Seb got a fork and is moving again. A broken fork is every riders nightmare. I'm glad he wasn't hurt. Smiley

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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1376 on: June 27, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
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« Reply #1376 on: June 27, 2015, 03:52:16 PM »

I proposed this a couple of years ago. My idea was to see if a couple of people wanted to try racing TD with the self imposed rule of having to make a 6 or 8 hour stop in every 24 hour period, say from noon to noon each day. I wanted to see if just a couple of people might like to try it. I got ripped a new one by Toby Gadd, who freaked out at the idea. He basically said that the only people who would want this are those not tough enough to do the real race. He and about two other guys were amazingly insulting about it. I have no idea why or how it challenged their manhood, but they sure got upset. It was a shock to me that a couple of people, mostly Toby, could be this rude over this idea.

Yes, it would change the character of the race. It would be safer and I believe allow people to ride faster when on the bike and perhaps make the race more tactical. You'd lose the sleep deprivation part, which can be compelling to watch. I believe it would make the race a lot more fun to do, but then I proposed the idea because I'm not a fan of the sleep deprivation part of ultra racing. I didn't see the harm in a small number of people trying it out.
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1377 on: June 27, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
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« Reply #1377 on: June 27, 2015, 04:19:42 PM »

I proposed this a couple of years ago. My idea was to see if a couple of people wanted to try racing TD with the self imposed rule of having to make a 6 or 8 hour stop in every 24 hour period, say from noon to noon each day. I wanted to see if just a couple of people might like to try it. I got ripped a new one by Toby Gadd, who freaked out at the idea. He basically said that the only people who would want this are those not tough enough to do the real race. He and about two other guys were amazingly insulting about it. I have no idea why or how it challenged their manhood, but they sure got upset. It was a shock to me that a couple of people, mostly Toby, could be this rude over this idea.

Yes, it would change the character of the race. It would be safer and I believe allow people to ride faster when on the bike and perhaps make the race more tactical. You'd lose the sleep deprivation part, which can be compelling to watch. I believe it would make the race a lot more fun to do, but then I proposed the idea because I'm not a fan of the sleep deprivation part of ultra racing. I didn't see the harm in a small number of people trying it out.

That's a bit sad Bruce. Imagine if it was faster to have 5 hours down each night. Mind you I guess as others have said, its an option anyone can take. We just need a "big-hitter" to do it so we can compare!
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1378 on: June 27, 2015, 04:21:15 PM
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« Reply #1378 on: June 27, 2015, 04:21:15 PM »

3hrs until another finisher in AW. I may have to have pie for dinner. Wink
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  Topic Name: Tour Divide 2015 - race discussion thread Reply #1379 on: June 27, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
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« Reply #1379 on: June 27, 2015, 04:31:40 PM »

The beauty of the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route is that it is public access and anyone who wants to can organize an event that follows the route, with whatever rules that person wants.  Perhaps someone should step up and organize a multi-stage race with mandatory rest breaks and see how many folks sign up.
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