Jay P's Grand Slam

[jhl99]

I made the statement that I had an issue with charity approach.  The argument was given that such endeavers are expensive and envoking a charity is way to raise funding.   I don't disagree.   I did not disparage those who use that approach, but did happen to run accross an example demonstrating that is possible to fund a significant adventure without charity.

An axe grinder would exand upon the observation make in reply #5.

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I made the statement that I had an issue with charity approach.  The argument was given that such endeavers are expensive and envoking a charity is way to raise funding.   I don't disagree.   I did not disparage those who use that approach, but did happen to run accross an example demonstrating that is possible to fund a significant adventure without charity.

An axe grinder would exand upon the observation make in reply #5.

Maybe I'm misreading your comments in this thread, but you seem to dislike it when adventurers partner with charities because it detracts from your idea of a "pure" event. While I'm not exactly sure how you are defining "purity," I mostly disagree with you (see reasoning in prior post) that charitable partners are bad. Nevertheless, I think that you raise an interesting point that a lot of athletes, especially the highly successful ones, face: how to pay for their adventures, and are there any ethical complications with the different approaches.

So, rather than beat around the bush, why do you think that charitable partners are such a bad idea? Or is it corporate sponsorship that you find so distasteful? How do you think that guys like Jay P should fund their trips and lifestyles? Being specific would help, as open-ended words like "purity" are pretty ambiguous.
 
For full disclosure, I've got a high-profile brother who makes a great living as a well-sponsored adventurer and has often partnered with charities. I'll never be in his shoes, but I've enjoyed watching him do some very cool things, while bringing exposure to some terrifically good causes. Seems to work for everyone: he gets to live an exciting life, average guys like me get inspiration, his sponsors sell more products, and charities receive exposure and/or money. Do you think that there's a better way?

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I'll never be in his shoes, but I've enjoyed watching him do some very cool things, while bringing exposure to some terrifically good causes. Seems to work for everyone: he gets to live an exciting life, average guys like me get inspiration, his sponsors sell more products, and charities receive exposure and/or money. Do you think that there's a better way?

Well said Toby in regards to your bro.  What Jay P. is doing is HUGE and it takes a major commitment of time and money to pull this kind of stuff off......impossible for most of us.  And the cause is real and it may open peoples eyes.  Hell, I've already learned that we waste 3.8 million gal. of gas a day just idling our cages!!

Best to Jay in this tri-fecta endurance adventure!

[JayP]

hey all! this thread has been brought to my attention and thought i would say a few things...
matt - thanks for sharing with bikepacking.net. and per your comment, yes, iditarod by dog is the next vision and next year is not out of reality....could be a great way to wrap up the tour to boot!
jhl99 - pretty simple, doesnt appeal to you, don't follow or support. FYI - i have been leading an endurance lifestyle for over 15 years, pretty consistantly. as a self-made man everything i have done has been for me, one adventure after another, out of my own pocket, figuring it all out on my own, loving it, living it, dreaming it, breathing it, being good at it, and you know what, it is pretty darn selfish. i have come to a point in my life where i want to do what i do for something or somebody and have a positive impact on others in some way through my adventures...as a progression in life i have always looked to the next challenge, creating my own and taking on others, and everyone one of them i dreamed of doing and shook my head at thinking i would never get there. well, i achieved all of them and have now built the confidence that everything is possible. so with this project i am more then stoked to help spread awareness in something i belive in and that we all can work on to make a difference to the future of our world. as well as challenge myself in a way that is questionable but realistic enough to gain attention. this is as pure as it gets, me doing what i want, through passion, for my own reasons.
jill - i like your comments. as for "the charity gets whatever is left" is not true. we will be giving a percentage off the top of all donations and then once we hit x amount 100% is given. no personal money is to be made, if i even cover my costs that would be amazing....
as for records - my first goal of any event is to finish with a smile. 2nd is podium, if things go really good maybe see 1st and if all stars align with a fair amount of good luck one might see a record. my goal of this year is to be successful in the campaign and at least finish each event.
i will check back....
"only those who will risk going to far can possibly find out how far one can go" samuel johnson
Stop Idling and Start Peddling.
JayP

[bmike-vt]

peddling - to travel about with wares for sale

pedaling or pedalling - to ride a bicycle

[JayP]

peddling - to travel about with wares for sale

pedaling or pedalling - to ride a bicycle

peddling - to travel about with wares for sale

pedaling or pedalling - to ride a bicycle

thank you, never was good in school and defiitly not good in grammer. i was to busy skipping school ripping my bike around....
always open to learning though, again thanks. good discovery, i'll have to go through and check documents now....

[sean salach]

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Also, is there any mention of an Iditarod record? The southern route record is still pretty soft, about 22 days I believe. Seems even in "touring" mode, Jay stands to break this one as well.

Except for the little part of around 160 miles where there wont be a trail to follow for up to 5 days till the Iditarod trail crew comes blasting through, which will then be soft trail. The southern route is slower because it's a lot harder. Jan Kopka is a former Czech national champion and TDF cyclist and he couldn't touch Carl's record.... I'm not saying Jay, or anyone else, can't, but it wont be a walk in the park for anyone who does.

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[JayP]

Except for the little part of around 160 miles where there wont be a trail to follow for up to 5 days till the Iditarod trail crew comes blasting through, which will then be soft trail. The southern route is slower because it's a lot harder. Jan Kopka is a former Czech national champion and TDF cyclist and he couldn't touch Carl's record.... I'm not saying Jay, or anyone else, can't, but it wont be a walk in the park for anyone who does.

completion is always the first goal, and having pushed my bike for a solid week once before on the north route i am expecting the worst of this southern route. i have a feeling those new cabins are going to be a real welcoming site...

FYI- everyone should really be paying attention to Tracey. record to McGrath, record to NOme (north), and going south this year. if she completes this years she will be the only women to complete both and possibly have all records....just sayin'

[Slowerthensnot]

completion is always the first goal, and having pushed my bike for a solid week once before on the north route i am expecting the worst of this southern route. i have a feeling those new cabins are going to be a real welcoming site...

FYI- everyone should really be paying attention to Tracey. record to McGrath, record to NOme (north), and going south this year. if she completes this years she will be the only women to complete both and possibly have all records....just sayin'

One should never forget the other badass of the P household, badassed squared (BA2!)

i'll be fallowing you both! Good vibes and prayers from SW utah!

[jhl99]

Maybe I'm misreading your comments in this thread, but you seem to dislike it when adventurers partner with charities because it detracts from your idea of a "pure" event.

My thoughts were not well presented in the first post.  The use of 'purity' led to misinterpretation.

What bugs me is the necessity of mixing charity with other activities (not limited to adventurers).
In essence, I like the idea of keeping the endeavor pure and the charity pure from the donor's perspective.  

For instance, I like the Salvation Army.  They flat out request money.  There is no sponsorship, no entanglements, no trinkets in return for a donation.  The officers of the Army don't make much, they are believers in the cause.  The services the Army provide are well known.  That is pretty pure.  It is simple and it is efficient.  

I'm not such a fan of Girl Scout cookies.  For $5 (or whatever they cost) the donor gets a box of overpriced cookies and the Girl Scouts get what?  50%?,  Heck, if they just asked for $5 up front, then would both parties could benefit.  The donor could give half as much for the same benefit or give the same amount for double the benefit.  For some reason, nickle and dime donations revolve around hoagies, cookies and candy bars.

My perspective is maximizing the efficiency of an individual donation.  

I'm not sure how these charity/endeavor things are normally setup, but let's use Jay's explanation that only a percentage of a donation is efficient until a threshold is reached.  What  really counts are the donations that exceed the threshold, the hope is that the expanded media coverage of the event/endeavor or whatever gooses the donations to offset the overhead.  (75% effeciency seems to be the level of better charities).

The donor's risk is that they don't know if they are buying an inefficient box of cookies from the Girl Scouts or if they a dropping cash in the Salvation Army Kettle.  That is issue I have with intermingling charity with other activities.

[Jilleo]

FYI- everyone should really be paying attention to Tracey. record to McGrath, record to NOme (north), and going south this year. if she completes this years she will be the only women to complete both and possibly have all records....just sayin'

Indeed. Tracey is awesome. You two are in for another solid adventure starting next week. Thanks for clarifying the contribution set-up for the No Idle Tour. I hope to contribute and look forward to watching your progress.

[carlhutch]

I really hope Jay breaks the soft record of 22 days because over the years its been  embarrassing trying to explain to folk you sat in the snow in one spot rationing food for 5 days 10 hrs before a iditarod trail breaker came through and made a trail that you could walk on for the next 3 days and in Nome you got credited with a record.
I think after Andy Heading and Mike Estes epic race that took 26 days and my own misfortune on the south route its quoted as being harder then the north route.In truth having experienced both routes i think there shouldnt be much if any variation in the north route times with a trail but thats the deal with the south.Usually there isnt one.

Completion was my goal to.

Good luck for Jay on his epic plans this year.Inspirational.