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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning on: January 30, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
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« on: January 30, 2019, 08:11:42 PM »

Loop Route: https://www.trailforks.com/ridelog/planner/view/49819/  or https://ridewithgps.com/trips/31334159  500 Km currently 40% singletrack 30% gravel 30% pavement (changing to 40%ST 45%G 15%P after completion of a rail trail, and when considering time rather than distance the percentage estimate for the loop route is 80% singletrack 15% gravel 5% pavement)

A to B Route: https://www.trailforks.com/ridelog/planner/view/49870 348 Km currently 45% singletrack 25% gravel 30% pavement (changing to 45%ST 35%G 20%P, or 81% 12%G 7%P for time)

Goal: to link as many high quality single track mtn bikes trails (constructed to modern trail standards) in the Interior of BC, Canada
Destination Trails include:
- Larch Hill Traverse http://www.shuswaptrails.com/trails.php?id=1
- Kalamalka Lake https://www.trailforks.com/region/kalamalka-lake/
- Okanagan High Rim Trail https://www.highrimtrail.ca/
Linked with valley rail trails
- Okanagan Rail Trail https://okanaganrailtrail.ca/
- Shuswap Rail Trail https://news.totabc.org/2018/01/16/sicamous-to-armstrong-rail-trail-takes-a-giant-step-forward/

This is an attempt to create a Canadian version of the Arizona Trail Race or Oregon Timber Trail.  A route that is primarily mtn bike oriented (there are lots of Canadian gravel grinders already or routes without publicly accessible re-supply options).
Although the percentage of singletrack may seem low compared to the AZTR, the percentage estimate for this route is for honest hiking trail or purpose built singletrack, and does not include the overgrown doubletrack/skid roads and does not have such a high percentage of hike a bike.  The percentage of pavement could be reduced even further, but at the expense of using active logging roads, gravel highways open to all motor vehicles (you will get dusted and potentially could get run off the road for looking like a MAMIL or hippy, such as with the Tour Divide route and the Redneck-ington portion of the AZTR), or off-road motor vehicle recreation areas (dust and roost)). Most of the paved road is on back roads. And where using major highways, there are wide shoulders.  

Drop bar and/or fully rigid bikes may be a little easier on the paved and gravel sections, but will be way more difficult than a dual suspension mtn bike with seat dropper on the singletrack sections.  
Once the Shuswap Rail Trail is completed, ~40 Km (one way) of the paved public roadway route will be changed to the gravel rail trail

I've ridden many of the sections already and will be checking out other sections for changes to trail conditions later in the spring
Best time to ride is likely early July or after forest fire season ends (best overall conditions might be during the frequent dry spells mid September to late October)


ps; There was a "Divide" in the original thread title, and there is a watershed divide between the Shuswap and the Okanagan (Shuswap flows into the Thompson then the Fraser and out to the Pacific by Vancouver, BC; whereas, the Okanagan flows across the US border into the OkanOgan to the Columbia and out to the Pacific past Vancouver Washington)

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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 02:16:14 PM
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 02:16:14 PM »

Thanks for the link,

(best overall conditions might be during the frequent dry spells mid September to late October)

That is a good map.


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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 02:26:11 PM
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 02:26:11 PM »

This looks epic!  A couple more years?
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 05:18:39 PM
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 05:18:39 PM »

I have to finish the Big Horn yet
what are the plans?
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 07:36:30 PM
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 07:36:30 PM »

It's happening again, it will be in September this year.  Will update soon.
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 06:33:34 AM
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 06:33:34 AM »

The proposed Oregensis Route (from southern Baja to the Canada border following the spine of the far west mountains) could tie in nicely with your south-north route through southern British Columbia if the border crossing was at Osoyoos. Following the KVR from Osoyoos to Penticton and then on to Chute Lake would be a cinch.  I'm not familiar with the east leg of your loop but it seems like a great combination of trails and roads for continuing north to Salmon Arm (one of my favorite names for a town).  Can a route then be imagined further north or northwest from Salmon Arm?  Perhaps Lennard's Buckshot Route would work. And then on to the Artic Ocean.
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 07:12:36 AM
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 07:12:36 AM »

From the Buckshot by Adams Lake, it is a short ride on the Trans Canada Highway to Sorrento, then into the Blind Bay to White Lake single track, then some gravel to the Reineker Creek single track to Shuswap Lake and Lakeshore Road to another short bit of Trans Canada Highway (or a ton of climbing on back roads) to Salmon Arm

You could also start in Bella Coola, ride through the Chilcotins to the Fraser River or Churn Creek then gravel back roads to connect into the northwest part of the Buckshot loop
trouble is resupply (caches or pre arranged outside support may be necessary, or the ability to ride really fast on little food)

The east leg of my route is true mtn biking with punchy climbs, switchbacks, maybe some fallen logs, and some rock outcrops, so more like AZTR than the TourDivide.  If might be out of character with the Oregenisis route
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 07:16:24 AM
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 07:16:24 AM »

More rail trail is being completed in the Okanagan Valley; however, portions are being paved too.  So even after the Armstrong to Sicamous rail trail is finished, the percentage of pavement to gravel might not change.  At least more of the route would be away from motor vehicle traffic
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 08:53:50 AM »

"... start in Bella Coola, ride through the Chilcotins to the Fraser River or Churn Creek then gravel back roads to connect into the northwest part of the Buckshot loop..." 

Wouldn't that be amazing.

How to get in or out of Bella Coola?  The Sea Wolf, of course:https://www.bcferries.com/about/projects/port-hardy-bella-coola.html


By the way, food is highly overrated.
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 11:51:03 AM »

The east leg of my route is true mtn biking with punchy climbs, switchbacks, maybe some fallen logs, and some rock outcrops, so more like AZTR than the TourDivide.  If might be out of character with the Oregenisis route
The Oregenisis route is intended to include singletrack wherever possible, not all dirt road like Tour Divide.  So something AZTR-ish would be more in line with that.  Hopefully this route can connect to it, but I don't know where they plan to take it in WA.
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  Topic Name: Shuswap Okanagan Bikepack Route planning Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 04:32:52 PM »

"... start in Bella Coola, ride through the Chilcotins to the Fraser River or Churn Creek then gravel back roads to connect into the northwest part of the Buckshot loop..." 

Wouldn't that be amazing.

How to get in or out of Bella Coola?  The Sea Wolf, of course:https://www.bcferries.com/about/projects/port-hardy-bella-coola.html


By the way, food is highly overrated.


There's a road (highway 20) that goes into Bella Coola or you could take a ferry in.

Take a look at Skyler's route from a few years ago...
http://www.bikepacking.com/routes/coast-mountains-bikepacking-route/

From his blog...
https://offroute.ca/2014/09/25/call-of-the-wild-part1/
https://offroute.ca/2014/10/01/call-of-the-wild-part-2/
https://offroute.ca/2014/10/21/coast-mountains-addendum/

Sorry for the bit of thread derailment.
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