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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: April 07, 2016, 06:33:29 AM
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Going from St George to Las Vegas is easy. There are many airport shuttle businesses in St George, as well as bike shops and hotels. In 2014, I pedaled and hitch-hiked from AZT finish to St George, by way of Kanab, and found a shuttle company in St George that took me direct to LV airport the next morning. Or course, you can take your time in Las Vegas and be a tourist and eat buffet... at the Bellagio perhaps?
Going from St George to Las Vegas is easy. There are many airport shuttle businesses in St George, as well as bike shops and hotels. In 2014, I pedaled and hitch-hiked from AZT finish to St George, by way of Kanab, and found a shuttle company in St George that took me direct to LV airport the next morning. Or course, you can take your time in Las Vegas and be a tourist and eat buffet... at the Bellagio perhaps?
Thank you for Bellagio...... it is a good idea..... he he he he |
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: April 07, 2016, 06:14:35 AM
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Going from St George to Las Vegas is easy. There are many airport shuttle businesses in St George, as well as bike shops and hotels. In 2014, I pedaled and hitch-hiked from AZT finish to St George, by way of Kanab, and found a shuttle company in St George that took me direct to LV airport the next morning. Or course, you can take your time in Las Vegas and be a tourist and eat buffet... at the Bellagio perhaps?
Thank you very much, this information are very important for my. Grazie See in the border. Ciao from Italy |
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: April 07, 2016, 06:10:44 AM
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Going from St George to Las Vegas is easy. There are many airport shuttle businesses in St George, as well as bike shops and hotels. In 2014, I pedaled and hitch-hiked from AZT finish to St George, by way of Kanab, and found a shuttle company in St George that took me direct to LV airport the next morning. Or course, you can take your time in Las Vegas and be a tourist and eat buffet... at the Bellagio perhaps?
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: March 01, 2016, 01:47:12 AM
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Hey Maurizo,
No, you do not need a permit just to hike across, for this year, 2016. You do need a permit if you plan to camp ANYWHERE in the canyon. Many racers get a camping permit for Cottonwood campground, just in case.
As to your other question: yes, you can decide which route to take on the North Rim. It is OK as far as the race is concerned, to take the paved road all the way to Jacob Lake.
Ciao Scott Thank you for thise information. Ciao from Italy |
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: February 27, 2016, 07:40:22 AM
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Just wanted to bring the following thread to the attention of 750ers and AZT fanatics in general: http://www.bikepacking.net/forum/bikepacking/possible-changes-to-bike-access-in-grand-canyon-backcountry-plan-comments-need/The extended day hike permit system is in some ways badly needed in the park (for safety), but it limits things, especially for 750 racers -- everyone hiking across the canyon will have to make a visit to the permit office, even if you aren't camping. It's unclear what will happen if all the permits are gone and you are on a thru-trip. The new plan does call for special consideration for AZT thru-hikers for camping, so perhaps that consideration would be included in extended day hike permits as well. I will likely include a plea for that special consideration in my comments (I don't think they are going to be dissuaded of the idea of permits in general). Anyway, give it a read and drop a comment if you've got the time. Service note: the Desert Spoon cafe that is marked by a fork/knife symbol in Colossal Cave is permanently closed. I've suggested they remove the sign. It's been a favorite spot to grab an ice cream sandwich and maybe a burrito on tours or day rides in the past. It's not too much of an issue for people racing as a lot of folks roll through during the dark, anyway. But just in case anyone had their hearts set on it. It's replaced by a new cafe that is quite tasty, but it's all the way up at the cave entrance, which is a hefty climb off route. The pizza is good if you do make the climb. hello Scott, I ask: it is now always obligatory to go in office for permit Gran Canyon, and if office is closed perhaps in the night? Thank you |
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: February 27, 2016, 07:20:26 AM
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Actually Ron Thomson and Bill Swami rode the trail in ... 2014 I believe. Also on my first ITT of the "AZT" (Andrea's route) in 2005, I rode in the Fall and took the trail.
But, yes, de facto the road is always allowed. Mega style points for taking the trail. Most years snow makes it all but impossible.
If there are any other allowed snow detours, that will be announced in advance. Thanks for the question.
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: January 12, 2016, 01:15:14 AM
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Here is what I posted in the 2014 planning thread:
Tims table from 2012:
# 1. Bear Creek (spring fed) crosses under road. 6.5 miles N of the Border
# 2. Parker Creek (dam fed) 2.5 miles N of Parker TH Starting line
# 3. Cott Tank (solar pwd) spigot (no bikes inside fence) 4.5 miles N of Canelo Pass 19.5 miles from the start
# 4. Patagonia (store resterants hotel PO) 31 miles from the start
# 5. Sonoita (store resterants hotel)
# 6. Gardner Creek (rain/snow fed) 10.7 miles N of Sonita
# 7. Kentucky Camp (spigot) 6 miles N of Garner Creek 16. 5 from Sonoita
# 8. Oak Tree Canyon stock tank (well fed) 8 miles N of K Camp
# 9. The Lake (rain fed) 12.6 miles N of Oak Tree off course north on 2 track after forest gate.
#10. Cienga Creek under Three Bridges (all year) 2 miles north of I-10
#11. La Posta Quemada Ranch (sink off course) 2.6 miles from 3 Bridges .7 off
#12. La Sevilla Campground (spigot on rock) 2.3 miles from LPQ Jct. 41.6 from K Camp
#13. Tucson (store resterants hotel PO)
#14. Chiva Tank (rain) 2.4 miles below Redington road
#14.2 Tanke Verde Creek and water tanks jump fence 6.2 miles off Redington road
#15. The Lake (rain usually has water) 4 miles after crossing Redington road
#16. West Spring (spring fed) not great 3.5 miles past The Lake
#17. Molino water hole (rain snow melt) up steam from trail crossing east of Highway
#18. Palisades TH (spigot mid April to mid Nov.) 12 miles up the Highway 42 miles from Broadway in Tucson
#19. Summerhaven (visitor’s center store restaurant rooms) off course
#20. Water Buffalo Oracle State Park when the park reopens
#21. Oracle (stores resterants motel) off course
#22 Beehive Well (big metal tank not good) 19.5 miles north of Tiger mine rd.
#23. Freeman Road (water cache) just north of Freeman Road
#24. Ripsey Wash spring (.2 miles south of trail stay on road) 18.7 miles north of Freeman Road
#25. Pinal Co Maintenance Yard; 0.1 m north of Kelvin bdg. outside facet available M-Th 6:30am-3:30pm
#26. Wilson Trailer Court; 0.5m N Kelvin bdg. outside facet phone also available if needed
#27. They are now saying you can filter the Gila River 57.5 miles from Oracle
#27a. There is a little creek 15.7 miles from the Kelvin Bridge turn onto jeep road and go north east for .4 drop into creek isn’t easy.
#28. Trough Spring .25 miles off course go north on Telegraph canyon road 135 feet turn left on 2 track 7.5 miles from the finish line of the 300.
#29. From Picket Post to Hewett Station is 1.7 from here east its 1 mile to Boyce Thompson Arboretum or 4.5 to Superior or 22 miles to Stores at Apache Jct.
#30. Spigot at Lost Dutchman State Park 7.8 from Apache Jct.
#31. Tortilla Flat spigot at Campgound on left store on right 11 miles from LDSP.
#32. Burn Corral Camp Ground spigot 19.5 from TF.
#33. Cholla Bay Camp Ground spigot showers 10 miles from BCCG.
#34. Pumpkin Center stores restaurant 13 miles from Cholla Bay.
#35. Jakes Corner store bar and grill 10 5 from PC.
#36. Rye restaurant 8.5 from JC.
#37. Payson 11.8 from Rye.
38- Oak Spring. 20.5 miles from Payson.
#39. Pine is 22 miles from Payson look for 2 track west of highway leads to town saves riding on highway.
#40. Red Rock spring 3.4 miles from Pine TH was dry at one point water reported 3/27/11
#41 Pine spring 4.6 from TH water reported 3/27/11
#42. Weber Creek 7.8 miles from TH has always had water in the past.
#43. Bray Creek 11 miles from TH.
#44. North Sycamore Creek 12.2 from TH
#45. Chase Creek 13.8 from TH
#46. East Verde River 17.5 from TH
#47. General Springs Canyon starting at 1.5 from FS 300 several creek crossing always water
#48. East Clear Creek at 9.2 from FS 300 often a deep creek crossing has been dry in the past.
#49. Rock Crossing and Blue Ridge Camp Grounds only open mid May thru Oct.
#50. Blue Ridge Ranger Station spigot .8 east on highway 87
#51. Pine Spring 21 miles north of highway 87 .4 mile off course east of dirt road in field
#52. 35.5 miles from 87 the AZT crosses FS 219 this is the first easy access to and from Mormon Lake 2 miles all rideable off course.
#53 Apache Spring Trail to Mormon Lake is .7 miles from FS 219 steep rocky trail is the shortest route less then one mile to Mormon Lake HAB back up.
#54 Double Springs Camp Ground 4.5 miles from Apache Spring trail. Creek and spigot when Camp Ground open mid May to Oct. 3 miles all paved back to Mormon Lake.
#55. Pine Grove Camp Ground when open (mid May) has water and showers 9 miles from Double springs .5 off course
#56. Horse Lake typically has water 4 miles from Pine Grove.
#57. Flagstaff has everything 16 miles from Horse Lake.
#58. Buffalo Park on the north side of Flag has spigot (not sure when this gets turned on).
#59. Russell Tank is the most likely spot between Flag and Tusayan 70 miles from Buffalo Park.
#60. Tusayan 25 miles from Russell Tank.
#61. South Rim there is a spigot near corrals at Yaki Point.
#62. There is a spigot after foot bridge 7 miles below Yaki Point and at Phantom ranch .5 farther.
#63. Cottonwood Camp 7 miles past Phantom spigot.
#64. Water fountain at North Kaibab TH not likely to be on. Water can be found at employee housing find ranger. water
#65. Crystal Spring 16 miles from North Kaibab TH
#66. Dog Lake and Wildlife Drinker 2.7 miles from Crystal Spring. The Wildlife drinker is just past Dog Lake on west edge of meadow.
There are other sources too. Fred G page shows a bunch. Route cues have a few. I have found at least one source myself on route not listed anywhere- found it looking through satellite pix one day.
Edit- added #38- Oak spring.
2016- The course is slightly different so mileage numbers between sources may be off.
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Forums / Ultra Racing / Re: 2016 Arizona Trail Race AZTR planning thread
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on: January 12, 2016, 01:10:47 AM
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Good day to all. I have bought the flight ticket is I will be to Tucson day 12 april to the 22:01. I will be the 15 to the start of the az 750. I try to organize arrival in Messico border end to the finish and then organize to arrive to Las Vegas. Ciao from Italy Mauri
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