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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA on: February 18, 2010, 08:06:45 AM
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« on: February 18, 2010, 08:06:45 AM »

http://www.adventurecycling.org/store/index.cfm/product/538/carousel-design-works-escape-pod-saddle-pack-medium.cfm

Likes like ACA is stocking Carousel seatbags.....very cool for folks looking for a bag at the last minute.

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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 08:10:00 AM »

Pretty cool to be avail off the shelf, how much is a Med. bag from Carrousel direct? Still less expensive than an OMM Rack though...
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 09:36:11 PM »

Not to be a negative nancy but this is a pretty significant ultralight endorsement considering ACA's past, hardline attachment to front/back panniers and BOBs.

We have Aaron Teasdale to thank for spreading the UL gospel in their ranks...and too, their membership is aging out and a newer-school UL touring demographic is replacing them.

It's all the more reason for lurkers of bp dot net to support ACA thru membership.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 06:21:36 AM
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 06:21:36 AM »

Jason B. aka Gnat might be an influence too as he's now a board member. +1 on becomming a member and showing our support.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 01:46:58 PM »

http://aaronteasdale.blogspot.com/

nice article appeared in Singletrack this month of a trip Aaron did with Jeff and another celebrity.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 02:08:20 PM
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 02:08:20 PM »

I looked seriously at being a member in the ACA but to be honest, what they sent me for a sample was so terrible in content, dated and worthless it left a bad taste. I then contacted the director of membership or some such title and got a very snotty reply from her. Needless to say I have told any and all my friends who ride to stay away from the ACA. I spoke a bit to Jason B./Gnat about it but we haven't really gotten into any details. I love to support organizations that support my activities but I just don't see the ACA as being viable.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 03:03:20 PM
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 03:03:20 PM »

This is a reply to Wally (and please forgive the hijack):

Dude, those are harsh words. I worked at ACA for almost five years and was the one who got Jeff's stuff in their store. I also happen to be the editor of the sample issue you describe as "terrible ... dated and worthless." Granted, I wish they would do more for us dirt-riders, but the fact is that the majority of their membership are road tourers. As a nonprofit membership organization, they respond to the demands of their membership, plain and simple. Until those of us who love riding the great unpaved start speaking up, ACA will continue to focus the majority of their resources on traditional road touring (which can include rugged around-the-world tours, et al, and which has a long, storied heritage that is worthy of any cyclist's respect). Just because you don't do that type of riding, does not mean it's "worthless."

That said, ACA does encompass backcountry touring. Their magazine was one of the first to cover Roman Dial's Alaska trips back in the 1990's, the June 2010 issue includes an epic, 10-page Pugsley/packraft feature by Eric Parsons (www.epicdesigns.com), and my stories and gear reviews in Adventure Cyclist have been been at the forefront of ultralight bikepacking in the national media. ACA also created the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route, the first and longest mtb route in the world, and recently rerouted it to include British Columbia's wild and wooly Flathead Valley, thanks in large part to the efforts of Matthew Lee. They also hire me to shoot the start of the Tour Divide, put up my web gallery from the event (www.adventurecycling.org/gdrgallery2009/), offer those images free (!) to any media that wants to use them, and send out press releases to national media announcing the start and completion of the event. They've also distributed press releases to the larger bike industry at Interbike promoting ultralight, off-road touring. And, of course, they host stuff like this — www.adventurecycling.org/features/ultralight — on their website.

No other organization or magazine does 1/10th as much to promote modern bikepacking.

As for the sample issue you despised, it contains 1) a piece on the new National Bicycle Route System, a new federally recognized route network that ACA has been working on for years that will link every major metro in America and be the largest cycling route network in the world; 2) a feature on North America's "Ten Top Tours" that focused on road riding (B.C.'s Gulf Islands, Texas Hill Country, Lake Champlain, northern New Mexico, etc) but also includes B.C.'s Flathead Valley, the Cassiar, and high-altitude Colorado mining routes; 3) a story about a self-supported couple riding across Norway to explore their family history; 4) my story about riding Idaho's rail-trails with my 10-year-old son; 5) a road-oriented piece, "Touring 101," designed to help newbies get started, and 6) a great essay by Willie Weir (who's done multi-day rides in more countries than most of us will ever visit in our lifetimes) about how getting out the door can be the hardest part of a trip, but is always worth it.

You might think that's worthless because there's no "how-to ultralight bikepack" stories, but I think it's actually a nice balance of high-quality content jammed into 32 pages and designed to appeal to a broad-spectrum of riders. I'd love to have an epic bikepacking story in every issue, but keep in mind ACA is a big-tent organization dedicated to promoting and supporting bicycle touring, or multi-day riding, in all its forms. Touring is exploding in popularity all over the world, and ultralight off-road riding is just a tiny niche in the larger touring community. ACA will continue to support and encourage bikepacking, but it needs more riders stepping up and getting involved to take to the next level. (It would also help if Adventure Cyclist received better submissions from bikepackers. When I was an editor there I received a lot of great story proposals from people doing epic rides in all corners of the globe, but few of them were what people on this message board would consider "bikepacking.")

As for the membership director, she's one of the nicest people I know and a dedicated mtb-tourer. She leads a woman's mtb group in Missoula and hosts traveling cyclists in her home all summer. I would be shocked if she was "very snotty" to you — I've never heard her be that way to anyone, ever. Unless you were rude to her first, and then, well, I'd be snotty to you, too.

If you want to go around bad-mouthing an organization that gets people riding bikes, gets them traveling on bikes, and advances the cause of cycling in America, that's your prerogative. But I suggest your efforts would be better spent joining ACA and telling them you'd like to see a greater focus on off-road bikepacking. I've been encouraging them for years, but they need to see that there's a demand. With Jason on the board and me continuing to contribute to the magazine, there's never been a better time.

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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 03:51:00 PM »

Aaron, you assume a number of things. I'm a road rider and tourer too and looked into the ACA for road riding primarily, not bikepacking. I don't think my words are that harsh considering the treatment I got from the director of membership or what ever her title is. I just tell it like it is, and to be honest there was nothing provided in the sample packet that looked to be worth the fee charged for membership. Shame on you for letting that sample magazine out with your name on the masthead. At least you own up to it, so that speaks volumes for who and what you are. I've seen your words and pics in other magazines and I'm certain you are competent; more so than that sample magazine would show. My beef is not with you or the other writers but with what the ACA implies to be and fails to live up to. I will look for the email response from the membership director because she even admitted the magazine was lacking, that it wasn't a best effort but that budgets only allow for them to do one sample a year. I questioned her on even providing something if it wasn't a "good effort". They (ACA) seem to take refuge in the fact that since they cater to bicyclists and are a bicycle related organization you should automatically do business with them if you ride a bicycle. Even if they provide little practical value. Pay us because.

I just like to ride; roads, trails, dirt - anything. I was and am looking for an organization that matches my interests in bicycling and sorry Aaron but based on the response from the ACA to my inquires, the ACA isn't it.

Oh, and I don't consider relating the facts as badmouthing.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 07:01:35 PM
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 07:01:35 PM »

to all;
I've answered Aaron in a private message since the subject and responses have gone beyond the post and thread. We have no need to air our differences here.

Aaron is a staunch supporter of the ACA and I'm very much okay with that. I'm not for my own reasons discovered through my own background work and I would hope he would be okay with that. Whats important is that we all stay upright, on two wheels and have fun. We really don't need an organization telling us how to do that. Smiles and miles. To each his own.

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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 10:04:40 AM
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 10:04:40 AM »

It may be time to start a bikepacking, non-profit organization committed to mapping dirt routes and spreading the bikepacking gospel...
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 01:35:51 PM »

Chad

Great idea!  hello2 Put me down for mapping the Arizona desert west of Phoenix!...... starting next fall  glasses2

Rock on- Jim
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 11:40:15 PM
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 11:40:15 PM »

Cool idea Chad. That would be most excellent. But also expensive. Would definitely take some committed volunteers with lots of spare time to get it started.

Would be easier just to keep it open source like this website. Keep letting people contribute routes, knowledge, etc.

But if anyone does decide to start a nonprofit like that I'd donate imagery for it...
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #12 on: May 28, 2010, 09:20:58 AM
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2010, 09:20:58 AM »

That is basically what this website is already, just on a grassroots level.

It would be cool to see a more dedicated mapping effort for the routes though - even if it was an extension of bikepacking.net where people could dump GPS tracks or other mapping of trips they'd recommend. It would be less formal and you'd have more content rather than a few stellar routes with all the bells and whistles.
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  Topic Name: Carousel and ACA Reply #13 on: May 28, 2010, 06:15:05 PM
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2010, 06:15:05 PM »

Count me in for Copper Canyon and Baja stuff.

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